![]() ![]() The people at Lavabit can't be making any money on that they're just breaking even to provide a service that they think is important. People drop more money for a couple apps on their phones in a day (or a couple beers, a burrito, whatever). Unless you're dirt poor, I just can't understand the perspective from which someone who wants privacy and security can't stand to pay $8/year for it. And if that's too much, you can get Lavabit for $8/year. If they don't provide the service they say they're providing, I'm going to stop paying.Ĭompared to other expenses in my life $59/year ($4.92/month), for Countermail, is a pretty minimal cost (certainly a lot less than I pay monthly for broadband, cell phone service, etc.). It aligns the interests of the email provider and my interests as a client more closely (as opposed to Gmail, Yahoo, etc., that are just riddled with conflicts of interest). I actually see paying a reasonable fee for the service as a security benefit. An email service has to have a business model, so if they're not doing targeted advertising, how are they supposed to make their money-at least to break even and pay for the equipment that runs the service? If you're not paying the service directly, there's got to be a strings attached and/or potential conflicts of interest. It baffles me that people think they should be able to get security and privacy for free from a webmail service. I've seen people here complain that Countermail doesn't have free accounts. Everything on the big providers, GPG or not, I consider read, correlated, and cataloged.no thanks.Ĭlick to expand.Yes, I suppose you're right. I trust them more than Tormail (just from a "who the heck are they, and just what goes on with your mail" perspective.I have no negative info on Tormail). ![]() And like was said above, you can always just use Thunderbird. The Java thing is a legitimate concern, but they have also explained it, from a security perspective.and I need to run Java for other programs I use, so I'm not bothered by it. I wish they would take Bitcoin, and I wish they would make whatever app that is on their USB key.available for download so we could make our own USB key (or integrate Yubikey somehow).having to provide an address for mailing adds complexity to trying to create an anon account. I run my own email server, but am thinking about getting a CM account just for kicks. The others are CryptoHeaven (Panama, IIRC) and RiseUp! (Invite only, Seattle/NYC). A few 3rd party services always pop to the top on Wilder's, and I think they are a viable option. "Hey dad, first you download GPG4Win, then you have to." LOL, not happening. You're both right about GPG.it *should* be used, but no *normal, everyday, regular Joe* correspondent will use it. My question (for the reasons explained in my OP) is simply does anyone actually use Countermail? Are they happy with it? I don't mean to reproduce those discussions. I've read them closely and appreciate the insights people have provided in those threads. That offers a real level of added security over pretty much every other service I've seen (including Hushmail, which does not encrypt plain text messages).Īnyway, this has all be discussed at length in other threads on this forum. I like that Countermail and Lavabit both encrypt even plain text messages on their servers. So the best I can do is hope to maintain the security and privacy of my own messages, including plain text messages. I'm also pretty sure this is the situation for almost everyone who uses email. But the reality is that I'm pretty sure I don't know a single person who cares and is willing to do that. I would be very happy if everyone I knew was willing to set up a GPG key and exchange email with me that way. I have read the many comments in these forums to that end (including with respect to Countermail-and I believe some of those comments may have been made by you in those other threads). Yes, I realize from a pure security perspective that would be a superior solution. ![]()
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